Re: Book Prices & Inflation
- From: Jose Menendez <ebooks@[redacted]>
- Subject: Re: Book Prices & Inflation
- Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2007 16:53:18 -0500
This post is a bit late. I haven't had much time for, or interest in,
mailing lists this year. In fact, before my two recent posts on book
prices, the last time I'd posted a message to this list was back on
[Moderator: This forward is a bit late as well; sorry about that. Earlier,
I'd decided not to forward it, thinking that this threadlet had basically
run its course. But seeing as I'm winding things up here, I'll give
folks some more opportunity to wind up their arguments as well. If folks
want to continue them beyond the tenure of this list, they can feel free
to add pointers to other forums. - JMO]
While catching up with the posts from the past few weeks, three in
particular caught my eye:
On Oct. 10th, Michael Hart wrote this:
> Did anyone notice the error about typesetters' salary
> levels and the median national income/poverty line?
> When Mr. Noring's comment was simply
> My own reply contained an equally simple
> How embarrassing!
> Perhaps I should repeat my query as to whether anyone
> here needs me to point out such things, or it is more
> than obvious how they are being misused
> I did comment on this earlier, but it was censored.
Then on Oct. 23rd, in reply to a post by Rod Hay, Michael wrote this:
"Re: Book Prices & Inflation"
> Isn't be [sic] cost listing below contradicted by the statements
> by and about the editors, typesetters, etc., that none are
> getting much above The Median National Income?
> By the way, it would appear that not one reader has had an
> insight into Jon Norning's [sic] previous statement about this.
The next day, after Kent Larsen asked him, "What statement of Jon's
are you referring to?" Michael wrote this:
"Re: Book Prices & Inflation"
> My apologies, I have not kept exact track of which of
> my replies got censoried [sic] by our moderator, and it may
> be that at least one of my previous references should
> not have been sent out.
> The reference was to Mr. Noring's reply to the salary
> of Typesetters. . .something I recall as being around
> $32,600. . .but that's just a recollection, don't say
> that is an exact figure.
> Mr. Noring's reply was that this was below the median
> national income, as I recall.
> Further information on income statistics on request.
Your "recall" leaves much to be desired. Why don't we see what Jon
Noring actually wrote?
"Subject: Re: More On Book Price Inflation"
Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 15:03:47 -0600
> Michael Hart wrote:
>> The average typesetter today makes about $32,500.
> A family making $32,500 per year is just above the poverty line.
Note that Jon referred to "a family" making that much money, not an
individual. Of course, Jon's statement wasn't very precise. As we all
know, families come in many different sizes. Now, if he'd said, "Some
large families making $32,500 per year are just above the poverty
line," he would have been undoubtedly correct. Indeed, some large
families making only $32,500 per year are *below* the poverty line.
Let's take a look at the U.S. Census Bureau's latest poverty thresholds:
Poverty Thresholds 2006
That's a large table, so I won't copy all the rows and columns here.
Related children under 18 years
Size of family unit Weighted
average None One Two Three Four
Five people 24,382 25,076 25,441 24,662 24,059 23,691
Six people 27,560 28,842 28,957 28,360 27,788 26,938
Seven people 31,205 33,187 33,394 32,680 32,182 31,254
Eight people 34,774 37,117 37,444 36,770 36,180 35,342
Nine people or more 41,499 44,649 44,865 44,269 43,768 42,945
As you can see, some large families making only $32,500 per year *are*
just above the poverty line, and some are indeed below it.
You know, Michael, the next time you decide to go on about someone's
"error," for starters you might want to quote what the person actually
said, not give some distorted version of it, and, of course, you might
want to be sure of your facts. :)
P.S. Anyone who's curious about how many families in the U.S.--large
and small--are living in poverty can check this table from the Census
POV37: Families in Poverty by Size of Family and Number of Related